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mr. romney worked both those strategies last night and mr. romney, of course, won the debate, on style, on presentation, he won on demeanor. now day two is the attempted cleanup for things he actually said. today has been a day of mr. romney's campaign saying he did not mean what he said about people with pre-existing conditions being able to get health insurance. his campaign said today he does not have a plan for that even though he said he did. the romney campaign today said he did not mean what he said about half the energy companies supported by the obama administration going bankrupt. he didn't actually mean that. sort of rolled over from democratic and liberal bewilderment last night that mr. romney was abandoning his main economic plan that he was running on, his $5 trillion tax cut plan, his big trickle-down plan, to be rolled over from democrats being bewildered about that to the beltway press and mainstream pundits i think now having a hard time deciding whether they are supposed to call that a lie or whether they're supposed to ju
mr. romney worked both those strategies last night and mr. romney, of course, won the debate, on style, on presentation, he won on demeanor. now day two is the attempted cleanup for things he actually said. today has been a day of mr. romney's campaign saying he did not mean what he said about people with pre-existing conditions being able to get health insurance. his campaign said today he does not have a plan for that even though he said he did. the romney campaign today said he did not mean...
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>> this was mr. romney's long awaited etch a sketch moment at the debate. they decided he was going to pivot from this severe conservative he had been running as during the primary into a more moderate version of his former self and it's clearly incumbent on the obama campaign to keep him in the box they've placed him in, he's too conservative, extreme, out of touch with the american people. i think clearly president obama missed the opportunity to do that during the debate. he kind of let mr. romney climb out of that kind of space that they had put him in, but there will be many other opportunities as we see the president's back strong on the stump hammering romney. there will be another debate. we forget it's a long time ago, mondale wins the first debate against reagan, reagan comes back and cleans his clock in the second one. john kerry in 2004, you remember, won the first debate, against george bush. george bush similarly seemed very unhappy to be there as the president. bush comes back in the second one and wins, goes on to win. so lots of opportunity
>> this was mr. romney's long awaited etch a sketch moment at the debate. they decided he was going to pivot from this severe conservative he had been running as during the primary into a more moderate version of his former self and it's clearly incumbent on the obama campaign to keep him in the box they've placed him in, he's too conservative, extreme, out of touch with the american people. i think clearly president obama missed the opportunity to do that during the debate. he kind of...
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the explanation from the romney campaign is mr. romney was not pulling notes out of his pocket. he was pulling out of his pocket a handkerchief. sure enough, a little later on, oop, in the debate mr. romney is seen wiping his nose with said handkerchief. so whether you are persuaded by mitt romney wiping his nose on what is supposed to be his crib sheet notes, if you're on the left, again, like this is a conspiracy theory that just does not help. president obama did not win the first debate against mitt romney. whether or not you're happy about that, he didn't win. but if your takeaway from this conspiracy theory in this debate is the reason the president didn't win is because mitt romney cheated, then what is the utility of that theory for you? what is the utility of that information? how do you think president obama should then prepare for the second debate? should he just do exactly what he did this past wednesday night, except keep a closer eye out for the cheating because that is the only reason he lost? i mean, it may be comforting to tell yourself this is what really went
the explanation from the romney campaign is mr. romney was not pulling notes out of his pocket. he was pulling out of his pocket a handkerchief. sure enough, a little later on, oop, in the debate mr. romney is seen wiping his nose with said handkerchief. so whether you are persuaded by mitt romney wiping his nose on what is supposed to be his crib sheet notes, if you're on the left, again, like this is a conspiracy theory that just does not help. president obama did not win the first debate...
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romney are statistically tied there. according to our latest poll, mr. obama leads governor romney 47% to 46. the president has dropped two points since september. governor romney has gained one. >>> and with its ten media markets and diverse population, florida's a complicated and pricey state. joining us with more is mark ka pewto, political writer for "the miami herald," and back with us is anne kornblut from "the washington post." thanks to both of you. >> thank. >> mark, your newspaper also reported the race between president obama and mitt romney is at a virtual tie. here is how florida voted back in 2008. democrats won in the central and southern urban centers. republicans in the rural north and central. will the 2012 map look the same? >> oh, pretty much so. that's what the polling is showing currently. you know, southeast florida is rather liberal. florida's kind of an upsidedown state. the farther north you go, the deeper in the south you are. so the republican candidate does well in the north of florida and the democratic candidate generally d
romney are statistically tied there. according to our latest poll, mr. obama leads governor romney 47% to 46. the president has dropped two points since september. governor romney has gained one. >>> and with its ten media markets and diverse population, florida's a complicated and pricey state. joining us with more is mark ka pewto, political writer for "the miami herald," and back with us is anne kornblut from "the washington post." thanks to both of you. >>...
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given that mr. romney and mr. ryan have given no details but have given a promise that they're going to reduce taxes by 20%, how does mitt romney deal with that tomorrow? what does he actually say that he has previously refused to say on explaining that? >> well, i think it's fascinating that they're treating mitt romney like he's the president and a lot in the media treat president obama like he's the challenger. what president george w. bush did when he was governor of texas is said i want to reduce taxes across the board and i want to make sure we have a balanced budget. he wasn't very specific during the campaign, and when he became president, he released a series of principles that went to capitol hill that said these are the measures that meet my -- >> here is the problem with that though, ron. people who have assessed his mathematics have deemed them to be completely impossible. michael, this is just in from mitt romney on how he'll pay for his massive 20% across the board tax cut. take a listen. >> everybo
given that mr. romney and mr. ryan have given no details but have given a promise that they're going to reduce taxes by 20%, how does mitt romney deal with that tomorrow? what does he actually say that he has previously refused to say on explaining that? >> well, i think it's fascinating that they're treating mitt romney like he's the president and a lot in the media treat president obama like he's the challenger. what president george w. bush did when he was governor of texas is said i...
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mr. romney saying that the president was like one of his sons. joining us there the university of denver, the site of tonight's debate, former new york mayor, rudy giuliani. thank you very much for your time. nice to have you here. >> thank you, rachel. >> what was your overall response to the debate? we know you support mitt romney but what do you think he did well? >> i really am very excited about it. i thought he did exactly what he had to do to turn this campaign around. i thought it was as devastating a convict a and defeat i've seen in a presidential campaign and debate. i thought the main thing he did and a real consistency throughout what he was saying and this is the contrast for the american people. he's talking about private-sector problems and solutions to our problems, to our economy, education, health care. and president obama is talking about government solutions. it's a very different vision that the two men have. i think president obama, also, seemed a little beif yofuddled. i'm not sure he's used to be challenged and he seemed
mr. romney saying that the president was like one of his sons. joining us there the university of denver, the site of tonight's debate, former new york mayor, rudy giuliani. thank you very much for your time. nice to have you here. >> thank you, rachel. >> what was your overall response to the debate? we know you support mitt romney but what do you think he did well? >> i really am very excited about it. i thought he did exactly what he had to do to turn this campaign around....
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i'm one that thinks mr. romney might have made a mistake tonight. i think he was theatrical, but he gave so many answers that will be proven to be untrue. is it not the strategy of obama campaign to let the -- let mr. romney commit himself to things that will not stand the light of day, including his own former position? as i said before the debate, a rope-a-dope strategy? >> on romney's huge tax cut, which he did dishonestly try to run away from. i think the president did a good job of explaining to the middle class, you're going to pay the burden for a $5 trillion tax cut. that issue has been driving voters in this election and that was intensified tonight. the president was clear about pinning romney down on medicare. as we come out of this debate, we're going to be making sure people understand, and the president said this, romney says he's going to cut loopholes but he won't name them. romney said i'm going to replace obama care. romney said he's going to repeal wall street reform. as the president said, these are plans that are harm the middle
i'm one that thinks mr. romney might have made a mistake tonight. i think he was theatrical, but he gave so many answers that will be proven to be untrue. is it not the strategy of obama campaign to let the -- let mr. romney commit himself to things that will not stand the light of day, including his own former position? as i said before the debate, a rope-a-dope strategy? >> on romney's huge tax cut, which he did dishonestly try to run away from. i think the president did a good job of...
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romney won the debate. when asked who was more likeable, debate watchers gave the two candidates essentially equal marks. that's one piece of spin that doesn't quite pass the sniff test. decide for yourself if this one does from the campaign's ben lebold who suggested mitt romney last night was acting. >> it was performance art. he locked himself into some bad positions that he took during the republican primary, tax breaks for companies that ship jobs overseas, refusing to ask the wealthiest for a dime to reduce the deficit and those give us big openings to talk about on the campaign trail in key states in the weeks ahead. >> vice president biden, meantime, said his boss did a good job during a bright line between his policies and mitt romney's. >> i think the president did a wonderful job in making it clear just how stark that choice is. >> keeping them honest, that is precisely where the pundits, even those who support president obama, say he dropped the ball and when we asked our viewers whether mr. oba
romney won the debate. when asked who was more likeable, debate watchers gave the two candidates essentially equal marks. that's one piece of spin that doesn't quite pass the sniff test. decide for yourself if this one does from the campaign's ben lebold who suggested mitt romney last night was acting. >> it was performance art. he locked himself into some bad positions that he took during the republican primary, tax breaks for companies that ship jobs overseas, refusing to ask the...
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i don't want to move the cat. ♪ >> romney: thank you mr. president. >> obama: i want to thank the university of denver. ♪ >> debates are better. >> eliot: that was more fun to watch. the voter i.d. law stalls in pennsylvania. that's next on "viewpoint." economy on barack obama is kinda like blaming your hangover on the guy making breakfast. i like mitt romney but i'm sorry. they guy has flipped more than a crack house mattress. this campaign has become so toxic, beverly hills housewives are now injecting it into their foreheads. (vo) so current gave him a weekly show. >> i love romney's debate style, but i tell you, if i could be that stiff for 90 minutes, i'd ... (vo) we probably won't regret it. >> eliot: it was supposed to be the thing that would help mitt romney win the state of pennsylvania. don't take my word for it. here's pennsylvania state house republican leader mike turzai in june. >> voter i.d. which will allow governor romney to win the state of pennsylvania, done. >> eliot: actually, not quite done. on tuesday, a pennsylvani
i don't want to move the cat. ♪ >> romney: thank you mr. president. >> obama: i want to thank the university of denver. ♪ >> debates are better. >> eliot: that was more fun to watch. the voter i.d. law stalls in pennsylvania. that's next on "viewpoint." economy on barack obama is kinda like blaming your hangover on the guy making breakfast. i like mitt romney but i'm sorry. they guy has flipped more than a crack house mattress. this campaign has become so...
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are people on social security the kinds of voters that you are talking about, mr. romney, in this debate tonight, when you say government is paying too big a role in people's lives. that's a tricky one for him to walk out of. >> are the elderly moochers? he's going to have to answer that question. >> service members on disability? i mean same thing. >> coming on the heels of the romney campaign trying to use joe biden's biden-esque turn of phrase the middle class has been buried and you know, biden has walked that back, you know, is it an indictment of the president? look if you're going to fight for the ground on the middle class i don't know that joe biden is the person you want to be sparring against. >> he is by far the best middle class, working-class figure in this race. but to me, the hannity, drudge, obama thing, the ryan thing, i mean, really? this is all they got? i mean, i found the -- i found nothing that obama said in that speech objectionable or disagreeable, similarly, i find ryan's thing not -- i mean there's a sophisticated and legitimate argument
are people on social security the kinds of voters that you are talking about, mr. romney, in this debate tonight, when you say government is paying too big a role in people's lives. that's a tricky one for him to walk out of. >> are the elderly moochers? he's going to have to answer that question. >> service members on disability? i mean same thing. >> coming on the heels of the romney campaign trying to use joe biden's biden-esque turn of phrase the middle class has been...
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mr. obama kept looking down while romney was making points or are criticizing him or attacking him. brett, i got to think that is debate 101 that you would tell your candidate always assume you are on camera and that they are looking at you even if the other guy is speaking. >> you know, it is funny, though, chris, the debate history, presidential debate history is replete with examples of where candidates don't pay attention to how they look and say things and are only worried about what they say. audiences tell us they take as much as 65% of the meaning from how candidates or how people say things. you have the famous george bush looking at his watch or al gore sighing in the debate. and this time around we have the president who seems to be disinterested, who seems to be irritated and not focused on the debate. >> chris: what do you tell a candidate to do when the other guy is speaking or even attacking? >> well, you know, certainly you can take notes, you can look out at the audience but every now and then you need to look at your opponent. it is kind of odd if a person is talki
mr. obama kept looking down while romney was making points or are criticizing him or attacking him. brett, i got to think that is debate 101 that you would tell your candidate always assume you are on camera and that they are looking at you even if the other guy is speaking. >> you know, it is funny, though, chris, the debate history, presidential debate history is replete with examples of where candidates don't pay attention to how they look and say things and are only worried about what...
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you know, mr. president, you can say until the cows come home that i'm going to add $5 trilliono the deficit but it doesn't make it true. i think what we saw last night, we saw mitt romney, who looks presidential, who has a plan for the future, who talked about his plan and talked about creating 12 million jobs. what we saw from president obama was -- wait a minute, piers. what we saw once again was -- >> this is my show, young lady. moving to brent o'donnell at high speed. now, from a purely technical point of view, in the way that barack obama conducted himself in appearance last night, a few things surprised me. most of all as i was watching, i was live tweeting, this continual looking down at his notes, disengaging completely from mitt romney. i just thought it looked strange. >> yeah. you know, his body language, what told an incredible story, the way he communicated last night said more than he actually said with his mouth. maria said he looked into the camera. he was looking down at his note
you know, mr. president, you can say until the cows come home that i'm going to add $5 trilliono the deficit but it doesn't make it true. i think what we saw last night, we saw mitt romney, who looks presidential, who has a plan for the future, who talked about his plan and talked about creating 12 million jobs. what we saw from president obama was -- wait a minute, piers. what we saw once again was -- >> this is my show, young lady. moving to brent o'donnell at high speed. now, from a...
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we're not seeing that from mr. romney. a few generalities, but i want to see some specifics and i want him to connect each one up with how many jobs it is going to give us. >> you're looking for specifics tonight. what about, though, as you mentioned the economy, what about the battle for the middle class? you have joe biden as -- let me just play this clip in case our viewers haven't seen it, he really stepped in it yesterday when he said this was in charlotte. >> this is deadly earnest. how they can justify -- how they can justify raising taxes in the middle class who has been buried the last four years, how -- >> buried the last four years. of course, most of the last four years under the obama administration. so, before we chat, mr. stein, i do need to play this follow-up clip, the vice president, you know, coming back and explaining his comment. this was later in asheville. >> the middle class was buried by the policies of romney and that ryan supported. as bill clinton, all they're suggesting now when asked about thi
we're not seeing that from mr. romney. a few generalities, but i want to see some specifics and i want him to connect each one up with how many jobs it is going to give us. >> you're looking for specifics tonight. what about, though, as you mentioned the economy, what about the battle for the middle class? you have joe biden as -- let me just play this clip in case our viewers haven't seen it, he really stepped in it yesterday when he said this was in charlotte. >> this is deadly...
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today mr. obama said romney had been fact-checked by his own campaign. took a slight at that. trying to rally support in ohio where early voting has already started. this is a key battleground state, tamron. >> thank you, kristen. more on the breaking news. the new jobs numbers. in a statement john boehner said while there's positive news in today's report, job creation is far too slow and the unemployment rate is far too high. senate majority leader harry reid said with unemployment dropping below 8% to the lowest level in four years, our economy is on the right track. joining me now is "newsweek" columnist zachary caribel. we have one more jobs report left and let's move aahead and not talk about the ground game regarding the numbers we've seen. let's talk about the numbers we haven't seen coming up. >> you have to agree with boehner's comment, this may be the only time to say that. it's too slow and too many are unemploy unemployed. that won't change in the next four weeks. the numbers were revised up the past four months so you can see a report with the numbers revised dow
today mr. obama said romney had been fact-checked by his own campaign. took a slight at that. trying to rally support in ohio where early voting has already started. this is a key battleground state, tamron. >> thank you, kristen. more on the breaking news. the new jobs numbers. in a statement john boehner said while there's positive news in today's report, job creation is far too slow and the unemployment rate is far too high. senate majority leader harry reid said with unemployment...
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mrs. romney, that's not helping. you better finish the thought. >> i have all the confidence in the world in his ability, in his decisiveness, in his leadership skills, in his understanding of the economy, in his understanding of what's missing right now in the economy, you know, the pieces that are missing to get this jump started. so for me i think it would be the emotional part of it. >> right. he's capable, decisive, and emotionally troubled? well, that is an october surprise. let's get right to our panel this afternoon. with us from washington, msnbc political analyst karen finney, who is a democratic strategist. also julian epstein, who is a democratic strategist, and here in new york msnbc political analyst professor michael eric dyson. professor dyson, mitt romney's wife says she's concerned about his mental health. paul ryan says he's inarticulate. if he can't think straight and he can't speak properly, is mitt romney george bush in disguise? >> i'll tell what you. i want to give you the baseline, i don't ha
mrs. romney, that's not helping. you better finish the thought. >> i have all the confidence in the world in his ability, in his decisiveness, in his leadership skills, in his understanding of the economy, in his understanding of what's missing right now in the economy, you know, the pieces that are missing to get this jump started. so for me i think it would be the emotional part of it. >> right. he's capable, decisive, and emotionally troubled? well, that is an october surprise....
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romney bore in with details about his record. it's clear mr. obama isn't used to someone challenging the attack lines that he uses to describe mr. romney's various proposals on the stump." and again, where was the 47%? where was it? he just didn't go there? >> that's the great mystery. >> the thing that's true in both these editorials that i do think one of the president's failures here was not just the stylistic failure, was a substantive failure. mitt romney made a lot of claims last night. he said a lot of things we've never heard from him before. he tried to claim he doesn't want to cut a $5 trillion tax cut. he said that no tax cut he imposes will add to the deficit. that's totally new. he doesn't want to cut medicare. the president let all of that go largely. >> why? >> didn't challenge romney on what deductions and loopholes he wants to close in order to make his deficit plan revenue neutral. those are all things where the president manifestly failed last night, but they are things that the campaign is now going to litigate over the cour
romney bore in with details about his record. it's clear mr. obama isn't used to someone challenging the attack lines that he uses to describe mr. romney's various proposals on the stump." and again, where was the 47%? where was it? he just didn't go there? >> that's the great mystery. >> the thing that's true in both these editorials that i do think one of the president's failures here was not just the stylistic failure, was a substantive failure. mitt romney made a lot of...
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>> well, the first question is, what is it that mr. romney proposes doing? that's what's -- >> the question to you, general, with all respect. >> that's okay. >> what's the president of the united states doing? romney wants to be president but the president is the president. >> president's working with allies in the region to try to provide hue human taryn assistance. working with groups to try to form a legitimate and recommendsed political opposition. working to -- with others to try to hold down the delivery of heavy weapons to the region. working with other allies that are providing some assistance and some information on who the syrian resistance leaders are so it's humanitarian, political, diplomatic. it's everything we can do short of using military force. i'm sure the military options have been looked at. an air campaign has been looked at. taking out the ground defense. both of those are major military operations. they involve war. they don't have -- they don't have strong support from nato allies. it's more go it alone for the united states. >> all
>> well, the first question is, what is it that mr. romney proposes doing? that's what's -- >> the question to you, general, with all respect. >> that's okay. >> what's the president of the united states doing? romney wants to be president but the president is the president. >> president's working with allies in the region to try to provide hue human taryn assistance. working with groups to try to form a legitimate and recommendsed political opposition. working to...
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corbett, mr. romney, mr. turzai, mr. metcalfe and their friends will attempt to create confusion and chaos now that we beat this thing back. so we're going to be just as vigorous now as we have been. your prior guest on the prior segment talked about anger. let me tell you something, chris, there's a lot of angry voters in pennsylvania. mitt romney and todd corbett for this chicanery. they're going to have a conversation with them at the polls on november the 6th. >> let me ask you, kathy, why did this creep up on so many people? i have been making some noise about it, but this is like a multistate thing, something like 20 or 30 states involved in this, all basically pushed by the republicans, all pushed to stamping down on the chance of minority people and older people to vote. clearly partisan and ethnic in nature. here we are, i may be the only one on national television yelling about this thing, but it just seems -- as bill clinton said beautifully, it's blatant and yet nobody's been raising hell about it. >> that's
corbett, mr. romney, mr. turzai, mr. metcalfe and their friends will attempt to create confusion and chaos now that we beat this thing back. so we're going to be just as vigorous now as we have been. your prior guest on the prior segment talked about anger. let me tell you something, chris, there's a lot of angry voters in pennsylvania. mitt romney and todd corbett for this chicanery. they're going to have a conversation with them at the polls on november the 6th. >> let me ask you,...
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. >> what would you like to say to mr. romney. >> obama: good luck tonight. >> no, really. >> obama: really. >> cenk: now, that was during the republican primaries when mitt romney was about to go to debates. but that could be say going into the debate with. we have michael shure and senior editor for the "new republic." i want to run this by you. it looks like romney is in a big load of trouble when it comes do the debates because he does not have much room to attack president obama. am i seeing this wrong? >> no, i think you're right. if i had one major strategic criticism of the romney campaign, they never migrated to the middle of the spectrum. ever since he had to move rights during the primaryies to offset challenges from newt gringrich and rick perry he maintained the base but it's mystifying that he never moved center. i agree with you the guy has boxed himself in on the far right political spectrum, and it's not the place you want to be with a month before the election day. >> cenk: i think moam made a good point
. >> what would you like to say to mr. romney. >> obama: good luck tonight. >> no, really. >> obama: really. >> cenk: now, that was during the republican primaries when mitt romney was about to go to debates. but that could be say going into the debate with. we have michael shure and senior editor for the "new republic." i want to run this by you. it looks like romney is in a big load of trouble when it comes do the debates because he does not have much...